University Instruction as Toilet-cleaning
From a student column in the Oregon Daily Emerald:
Students pay teachers to educate us, yet they are then allowed to tell us how much we're learning. The whole situation seems akin to a boss paying her employee to clean toilets and the employee turning around and telling the employer how much she is or isn't happy with the cleaning job. If I'm paying someone to do my housekeeping, I'll be the one to tell the receiver of my hard-earned money exactly how well they did. Shouldn't it be the same with education?
We are currently paying a large amount of money to attend this University and receive an education. If I have paid to be taught something, shouldn't there be a repercussion for the teacher rather than, or at least as well as, the student when knowledge has not been taught?
I've already posted a lengthy response on my own blog. Comments?
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Toilet Cleaning
You know, every time one of my students lets me know that their starting salary (for a Bachelor's degree) is close to or higher than my salary as a full professor (and they delight in letting me know), I keep thinking we need to move to a royalty system: Let me earn a bonus each year based on the starting salary my students earn.
At the same time, I'm thinking we need to pay the people that clean our toilets a lot more. If I had to choose between my wishes in the first paragraph and those in the second, I'd opt for the latter.
(I'm obviously not responding to all the other student-faculty-education issues this raises, which are complex, enormous, and all too common.)
A toilet bowl born too late...
Well, you know historically the situation was very much reversed. Students paid professors by the lecture. So, unpopular lecturers couldn't attract the funds to stay in business. Consider:
This information is from "A University Built by the Invisible Hand" by Roderick T. Long.
I think our gut reaction to complaints like this is to accuse the dissidents of being ungrateful little wretches who just don't get it. It's certainly true that a certain amount of autonomy has its advantages for teachers, and we can argue that the students just don't know what's best for them. We also tend to think of educating students as menial "paying our dues" kind of work, whereas what we really want to do and should be doing is working on our research. This model doesn't work very well for students.
That said, I don't think many things would change even if we DID revert to a model where we were paid based on the number of students we taught each semester--assuming that we were allowed to set our own fees. Assuming that students were still required to take certain courses, they probably would either sign up for the cheapest teacher everytime or the one with the best reputation. I think students would quickly figure out that the first option isn't the most conducive to a good education. Also, this practice would force teachers to compete with each other and likely take a real and sudden interest in making their classes more useful, invigorating, and shallow. The goal would b not so much to ensure that students learned a lot, but that they BELIEVED they had learned a lot.
This kind of model is still practiced in some kinds of teaching. For example, let's say I want guitar lessons. I would pay a tutor or for some classes and would likely only stay in them if the teacher could make me feel that I had potential and gave enjoyable lessons. The teacher would want to please me because I might tell others to hire her services or give bad word of mouth. This leaves these poor folks with no choice but to compliment and praise the talents and potential of even the most tone-deaf and utterly incapable aspiring musicians for the sake of a paycheck.
It's hard to say how standards would change under a pay-per-lecture model, because I noticed that my own students' performances increase dramatically when I offer a more challenging curriculum and set very high standards. They tend to take the class very seriously then and give me stellar evaluations at the end (assuming that I've taught them how to improve their work so their grades steadily improve). It might be rather like a private doctor who must convince a patient that there is indeed something very wrong with him, and if he doesn't agree to weekly appointments and lots of pills then death is imminent. Thus, part of our responsibilities would be to show three things--one, writing is very important; two, the student has a LOT to learn, and three, we can offer the best method to become a quality writer. We'd have to establish ourselves by offering up examples of not only our own proficiency, but examples of previous students who have gone on to illustrious writing careers (or at least were recognized for their writing talent).
I should be grading essays, but ...
I can't resist replying to Ailee Slater's article via Kairosnews. (There's probably no point in replying to her directly, since she seems so adept at ignoring any advice her own composition teachers may have given her.)
On the one hand, the essay is whiny (no sense of audience or purpose), ungrammatical (she's a sophomore English major???), and illogical (I'm still trying to decode the toilet analogy). So I understand why she's so defensive about "paying a large amount of money" "to be told [she is] an idiot," particularly since some of the commenters on her newspaper website are willing to do so for free.
On the other hand, as a teacher, I wouldn't mind getting out of the evaluation business. I actually enjoy reading and responding to essays and essay tests, but the grading process takes away all the fun. This is not to say I want to turn over evaluation to Kaplan or Princeton or whomever, but that I'd have a better sense of how both the students and I were doing if the evaluation system were less artificial. For example, a composition student who publishes an essay in a refereed forum (not The Oregon Daily Emerald, however) certainly deserves an A. Students writing documentation for the Open Source Documentation project could be evaluated by the documentation users themselves. Of course my solution wouldn't satisfy Ms. Slater's ideal of a stress-free learning environment, but if she wants real world evaluation, she has to pay the price (to use her customer service jargon).
Addendum: After posting this comment, I read Clancy's backtrack, and added a sort of clarification there, "Defending Ailee?"
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Pay per view teaching?
I think you answered your own question, Matt, when you pointed out that your teaching experience indicated that a more challenging curriculum and setting high standards led to good results all around. The pay per view concept of education troubles me on another level as well. Those that "have" would continue to have access to the best education money can buy and those that "have not" won't. I for one am extremely grateful for the public schools supported by local school districts and for the public universities available here in the U.S. "Pay per lecture" wouldn't have worked too well for me as a single mom with two children trying to complete my bachelors degree. It was tough going there even with Pell grants and the money I made substitute teaching (my home state allows an emergency substitute teacher's certificate with a minimum of 60 credit hours). The public university, a place where all students can have access to the best teachers, is one of the few bastions left that keep our country from becoming purely a "moneyocracy."
Thanks for an interesting historical connection though, one that shows how far in the opposite direction our cultural pendulum has swung.
Another angle
Let's consider a different approach to getting paid by results. Most of us are paid on standard scales related to rank, years of service and the like. At my community college, all faculty are paid on the same schedule.
And each of us in composition gets the same number of students per section to start the term. Let's say I work really hard and get 80% of my students to meet the course standards and pass. Let's say one of my colleague runs his class so that only 40% of the students are left at the end of the term. He's had to read fewer papers than me, has done less work than me, and produces poorer completion rates. He may claim he is upholding standards, but he's also getting the same pay for a lot less effort.
Since I'm at a tax-supported open admissions institution, the students' economic class status is not a significant factor in college revenues. But within that system, there's no mechanism for rewarding a professor who is effective at getting students to learn and perform well. And, for what it's worth, my 80% vs. 40% example is not hypothetical.
Consider this remedy: let's say that with normal attrition, 75% of students should pass a composition course. Now, let's have the faculty construct a program-wide assessment process (holistic, portfolio, something solid). Let's say the year's load is 200 students enrolled. As soon as I get 150 students to pass the departmental exam, I get my full pay. If I want to keep working, I get overload pay. Or I can take time to work on other projects, presuming I can get my 150 students to pass in less than a year.
Such a system has clear accountability and would get away from seat-time approaches to education. It might even change the attitude of the young journalist at the U of Zero.
"Hard" teachers
The thing that I've found interesting and consistent across schools is that teachers who experience high attrition rates and have fewer students earning high grades are more valued in the academy.
When one of the students that I teach earns a higher grade in my class than one of her previous teachers thought was possible, suddenly *I* as a teacher am more suspect than the teacher under whom the student did not do as well.
Whatta system.
Enough bad attitude; back to grading papers.
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